Read the text start with Right point 1 then Left point 1, and continue in # order.

1) Unbelievable- and other people commenting how the democrats are horrible for saying no in congress to a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk.

2) I would encourage you to go and view his videos in full and not the click bait stuff from liberal media. The man approached everything out of love and from a biblical stand point. Bottom line: a man was killed for peacefully debating. That should never happen.

FYI- I linked my detailed view on ICE below. And I do believe masked men, with no warrants, and not willing to go through the courts should be opposed.

3) here’s the thing. From Grok since we want to use AI…”Yes, Charlie Kirk promoted aspects of 1950s-style living, particularly through his advocacy for traditional Christian gender norms, nuclear family structures, monogamous marriage, homemaking roles for women, and opposition to modern progressive changes like feminism, no-fault divorce, and gender fluidity. These views align with idealized depictions of 1950s American life, where men were often seen as providers and leaders, women as stay-at-home mothers, and society emphasized rigid family hierarchies rooted in religious values.” The thing is, these were his view points; his opinions. Not edicts or demands. The left demands I call a woman a man and a man a woman. The left demands that we fight ICE in the streets. And society isn’t equal and it will never be. We have equal access to success, but that’s the American driver, working hard to achieve your goal and dreams. It should be never given to you by the government. Those countries that did that failed and they failed hard. I know there is good people on both sides as well as bad, but when you have the media and college pushing that the right is fascist and Nazi and blah blah blah, you encourage what happened. I have spent more than enough time in history books to know that the fascists today, are the ones saying the right is the fascists. They just don’t know it. The man who shot him: ask this question; why was he troubled? What was the meaning behind the etchings on his brass casings? Last thing; take note: there are no cities on fire after Charlie Kirk was killed. Just prayer and vigils. You know what’s out there? The left making fun of it. Celebrating it. Destroying memorials. Tell me how that is justified. I wish the US had more Kennedy or Reagan Democrats but that time has past and all that remains is something not even close.

4) Note another person commented at this point- sum is that he was inspiration in life, and how getting rid of the education department will ensure that her child will have a better life. He was brining America together. Read the bible, because I read Mine daily.

5) Back to original Person- God does love us. What He doesn’t love is when we sin against his Word. And the argument that the rich is bad is getting old. Are you arguing all rich people are bad or just the right, rich people? I would argue there are bad and good on both sides. Paul Allen (Republican) using his wealth to discover lost shipwrecks of WWII and bringing closure to families or Tom Hanks (Democrat) donating $1 million with his wife Rita Wilson for LA wildfire relief in February 2025. Wealth isn’t bad. It’s the love of wealth that’s bad. Societal equality and economic equality has never worked. I recommend reading “The Dead Hand” by David E. Hoffman. You’ll see the effect of what the Soviet spending on the military did to its economy in the end.

7) Matthew 19:24. That interpretation is not quite accurate. Salvation by grace is the key component in that verse. People can’t just pluck a common verse and make it prove their point. Context is important.

*Note Picture above was originally placed here. in Facebook Chat

You talk about hoarding wealth and doing nothing to ease the suffering of others. You would have difficulty getting into Heaven. Getting into Heaven is not based on good works or how much you donate or give. Entry into Heaven is based on believing in and following Christ Jesus alone. And that He died for our sins. And by following Him, our actions in life such as the giving away of money and doing good works is what Christ would have done.

4) See my conversation with Chat GPT about Kirk versus the bible.

My response on Facebook- We will never agree on this. I think it is important for you to be home with your children, and at the same time feel offended that a man would tell me my only choice in life is to get married and have babies. I had to ask Chat GPT to understand why people think he is a man of peace. The answer: he calls for a return to the family values of the 1950s. But For me the idea of going back to 1950, is when women like me had to get permission from a man to open a bank account. I really wish we once again lived in a world where the family could survive on one bread winner, male or female. So the other could stay home. But the reality the billionaires are to busy gobbling up all the wealth and using division to drive wedges between us. And pitting those who want progress against those who want the past. If I could wave a magic wand so you could have the life you want with your babies and staying home. But I also believe in a world where God loves people no matter the color of their skin, or if they are man or woman.

6)I don't hate wealthy people, I don't think there is anything wrong with legally acquired wealth. But when a billionaire pays less in taxes than I do. It is wrong. People on both sides right and left have been bought by corporations and billionaires to write tax codes and exemption so they don't have to pay taxes. In the 1950s one of the things that allowed the single family income was the high tax rate on the rich. The other reason that I think all Americans should pay equal taxes is to regulate big businesses. The reason we have the FDA is because the milk was killing babies, and meat that fell on the floor was added back in. It is nice to think that all people have moral values and would never cut corners to make a profit, but history is filled with stories of people who cheat to get there wealth. Wealth in and of its self isn't bad. But do I believe that spending that money to shelter the homeless, feed hungry people or easy the suffering is good yes, the same as you do. But at some point the high taxes on the poor, the greed of raising prices because they could and planned obsolescence means they are getting rich at the expense of regular Americans. I don't understand why people think we should expect a teacher to pay $20,000 in taxes and a billionaire to pay $1,000 because he didn't really earn any money this year. "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." Matthew 19:24. In my opinion it says if you don't follow my other rules of love your neighbor and care for those less fortunate. If you are hoarding your wealth and doing nothing to ease the suffering of others. You are going to have a difficult time getting into heaven. Unless you are willing to tax the rich as we did in the 1950s women and men need to work to be able to put food on the table for their family. Super heroes are told with great power comes great responsibility. And I believe with great wealth there is a responsibility too. There is no reason for CEOs to make millions while a factory worker makes barely enough to live. Until you can prove to me a billionaire needs 10 houses, a private plane, and anything else he wants is more important than families struggling to feed their children. I will not go easy on billionaires.

7) First I want to respond to the point made about wealth. The entire point of my entire conversation was missed and what I thought was to be a summary of the issue, was instead use as the Entire argument. So I have two responses to this

1. The view that hoarding wealth is a sin and that Matthew 19:24 shouldn’t be used as a judge on weather or not a person gets into Heaven. Jesus died for our sins. (oh the irony of that when it is applied to wealth but it can not be applied to a gay person. ) So we can allow wealthy people to exist and we should celebrate there wealth. It may be a sin in the Lord’s eyes but we can forgive this one. Yet on the other hand a gay person who’s sin is loving a person of the same sex- that the right cannot forgive and see as a sin God would not also forgive.

   But that is all me getting side tract- You are right I don’t determine what is and isn’t enough to get into Heaven. And we all sin we all make mistakes. But me quoting that phrase wasn’t an argument against all wealth or all wealthy people it was this:

2. Obscene wealth, crazy money levels of wealth. People who choose greed and a profit over taking care of those that they employ. Even Jesus said that people need to pay their taxes. Yet we passed a law that will cut over a billion in healthcare to Americans, increase taxes on the poor, so the rich get a tax break, that will cost America Trillions in debt. People like the ones who run Fox news, that family has Scrooge McDuck levels of wealth, and instead of having a news channel about positive things, about crossing the aisle about bringing peace. It focuses on how those immigrants or those … are stealing your jobs that is why you are broke. It is not because we just passed another law that makes us richer and allows for another loop hole in taxes. It is not because we have been able to raise the prices and not pay our workers a fair living wage. Instead we can pay them minimum wage and rely on the government to provide health care through Medicaid. But wait. Now we can blame those same people making $7 an hour to feed there families as lazy. What do you mean you are working 4 part time jobs and don’t have health care, well to bad, we are cutting Medicaid so even the government won’t help you.

3. Bottom line, I have no problems with a person who has a few million in the bank. My problem is with the person who is treating their employees as cheap labor, cheating on taxes and in the process making billions on the backs of American workers. The only other time I can think of where the gap between those that had an insane level of wealth versus the number of homeless and hungry people was in France. And that sure didn’t end well for the French nobles who felt they deserved to be rich. When you reach 200,000 do you really need any more money to live at that point. What is the point of having over that amount if you are not willing to pay taxes or to help your employees or serve the world.

1.      Define Fascism.

2.      Republicans thinking Democrats are fascist

a.      That I need to read history and understand  how the left is fascist.  Because apparently my definition of Hitler as a fascist is wrong.  My understanding was Hitler was a fascist- who decided to arrest and remove all the people he didn’t like from his country.  He started to build concentration camps.  He incited an us versus them culture and blamed the jews as poisoning the blood of his country.  Hmmm-  Last time I check the brown shirts (aka ICE) is busy rounding up the people accused of poisoning America. Florida built a place with inhumane conditions to house people. People are deported with no due process.  And the quote that sticks with me from Anne Frank "Families are torn apart; men, women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find that their parents have disappeared."  But that could be used to describe today’s world where people who have lived here for decades are simply vanishing.  Even people who have been here legally. Are being taken.  The supreme court even said they can profile based on the color of skin. 

3.      “Society isn’t equal and it never will be”  respond to this quote

4.      Countries that tried to bring equality- have failed

a.      My response is that I am not expecting everyone to be equal in wealth but equal in the eyes that you shouldn’t live in fear that you will be deported because you are a certain color.  You shouldn’t be turned down for loans or jobs because you don’t have the same skin color.  We should promote people based on Merritt, and not assume everyone who is a minority race or woman is promoted from DEI. 

5.      The claim no cities are on fire because Charlie Kirk died- yet you have people all over the right wing screaming online this is war, and the left is at fault. 

a.      The accusation the left is making fun of it, and destroying memorials.  But at the same time no realization that after Pelosi was attacked in his own home by some crazy, the right was rejoicing and making fun of it. 

b.      I follow left wing media, and I haven’t heard anyone mocking the death. In stead I have heard calls to remind everyone that violence isn’t the answer.

c.       Most of the content creators on the left are receiving death threats, and being accused of causing this.

While at the same time the right is busy blaming the left as soon as it happened

d.      Dig into the Groyper claim that it was a Nick Fuentes follower who did this.

e.      Also note the reference to Grok- an AI program designed to support  the right wing view, unlike Chat GPT which simply searches the internet.  Yet when Grok was first tuned to right wing it started praising Hitler, supporting a second holocaust.

f.        Pastor Paul Drees-    His take away from a video shared about a totally different topic.

  i.      He saw a rainbow colored flag and the response “the bible is explicitly clear about that behavior. If a Pastor doesn’t follow the Word of God or warps it, then his viewpoints are heretical” 

   ii.      He mentioned how he thought it was bad that this pastor would say that he prays for trump to die.

1.      If you see a man out causing thousands of children to die maybe it is not wrong to say you wish he would die.  If I was alive in the 1930s I would have prayed for Hitler’s death. But we are alive today, and US Aid was destroyed so thousands of children who were going to eat American crops and receive life saving medicine are all going to be abandoned so he can claim we are taking care of America.  At the same time- ask an Iowa farmer who is buying his soybeans now that US Aid is no longer buying them and China is not buying them.

2.      He is allowing the FDA to be destroyed and the CDC is being taken apart. Both of these protect Americans. FDA from making sure we have safe food to eat and CDC to stopping dangerous out breaks from becoming a national crisis. 

All of the above is going to contribute to more deaths, he is the reason thousands died from covid and he is the reason more will die. I admit to being clearly biased in this view point. And the above is such a mild phrase on how I feel about this individual. He is a con man, that the right sees as the man who is protecting them and is being picked on by the left. The right sees him as innocent and could do nothing wrong. And at the same time ignores the facts of his 34 felonies, him SA women, and going to Epsteins Island. Thousand of FBI hours were spent trying to identify his name on the files that magically now exist. But if he is innocent why was he screaming for them to be released, and when he has the power he doesn’t want them coming out.

Oh my rage at this man, the right wing bubble and the fact that so many people I once thought of as smart, intelligent and reliable are now telling me I should hate someone because they are gay. I should be okay with seeing people being ripped from there homes. Because we need to remove illegal people. While ignoring the fact that immigrants are the reason the economy was booming for the last 4 years. And this administration is the fastest on record to take a growing and profitable economy into a recession and if we are lucky that is all. Because the world doesn’t want to buy our goods. we will suffer from the tariffs. The last time the tariffs were this high was before the great depression.

I know sometimes things have to get bad before people can see through the BS and realize the answer isn’t at the bottom of the alcohol. That Jim Bean was lying when he said all is right in the world. But I pray we can find a way to bring peace and honesty and common ground with those who have given up on facts and instead parrot the right wing, because they feel better being part of an in circle. While I am here in the real world seeing the fall out and praying that we don’t go to a recession and repeat Germany’s mistake. But we have already started going down that path. We have brown coats rounding up average people and putting them in concentration camps. That the left is going to say they broke the law. Well, that is exactly what people who followed Hitler said the Jews broke the law so we have to round them up and get rid of them. There is the law and morals and laws that say it is okay to round up people and ship them to other countries where they were persecuted, or in danger for there lives is wrong. A law that allows that type of behavior where masked men can come into a school and haul away the parents, well that is immoral wrong and something that should never be allowed.

More to come some other day when I have the energy to try again.

1) I think no one should die of a gunshot. But I really wonder why so many think we should honor a man who believed that women belonged at home raising children. He said Empthy is a made up word. He believed trans people were responsible for mass shootings when they were only a portion of them. He thought the left hated America. I am on the left. I can tell you right now I love the America that believed all people are created equal regardless if they are Trans or entered illegally, they all deserve to be treated fairly. I believe that we should provide a good education and not get rid of federal funding who supports many of the kids with special needs. I believe in a health care system that includes Medicaid for all. But most of all I support community and connection. Kirk's entire life was centered on division. He debated college kids. Rather than take the time to find common ground. I don't remember the right calling for a moment of silence when the politicians on the left were killed. You don't have to agree with me, but I want you to realize we see him not as a family man, but a man who believed we shouldn't have empathy, and as we should accept gun deaths so we can have our second amendment. He is being honored now, as a great man. But take the time to be real about what he preached. In is not 1950. And women will not be going back into the homes to raise babies. LGBTQ people exist, and hating any group doesn't make us stronger. Democrats are fighting for the freedom of people like Kirk to say horrible things. And we support honesty and people who obey the law. But like many on the right it doesn't matter what I say. The truth doesn't matter, education doesn't matter. The important part is to be able to agree with your party. So maybe you are right, but just to be sure, why don't you listen to him. And find me a quote where he supports women in the workplace. If you ever decide that you want community and working together again. Come find me, but as long as you believe that questions don't mater and you have all the answers, It doesn't pay to debate this. I saw this and simply had to respond, because I need to know that my friends support women in the workplace and so many other values over a man who preached division and anti...

2)I am not arguing he should have been killed. But if you want you can ask Chat GPT about why the left doesn't support him. Bottom line I learned from chat GPT the right focuses on only the parts of 1950s family values. I refuse to go back to the family values of a women's place is in the kitchen. And you can keep framing it as him wanting to restore America to greatness. And I will keep believing he refused to try to push us to a society where all or equal. We are both hearing the same speech, but taking away totally different views of what it means. It is like those pictures where people argue over the color, because our brains take in different information, and we use our values to see what we want to see. And while we can't confirm the motives, the result is the same. The right is screaming it is the left and the left says it was the right wing. But the truth, he was a troubled young man divided like our country no matter what news sources he took in.

2.5) Note this was not in my original conversation with this person, but my detailed conversation with Chat GPT. After looking at my conversation- I realized it needed an entirely new section