Republican Rant 07-20-2025
Original Post: We get that you don’t agree with our politics. That’s fine. But if your argument relies on labeling everyone you disagree with as brainwashed or dangerous, maybe take a step back and ask why that’s the only framing that works.
Republican: it's not only that we disagree but it's the fact you all lie so much. You all lie about everything Trump and everything Democrat. I can say Democrats are racists and that is true. And it can be proven over and over and over again. I can say Democrats are filled with hate and that can be proven as well. I can say Democrats are liars and that can be proven as fact. Do you know how brainwashing works? Do you know any of the techniques used in brainwashing. Now if you all didn't flat out lie so much then there would be a little more respect for you all and then we can say we simply disagree. But enough is enough.
My reply: I want to explain communist and socialism. In today's world, I have not seen a true successful example of a communist government. Communist government means everyone in the society has an equal share in everything. When food is harvest it is split equally. Profits in a company are split so every employee from boss to janitor is paid equally. In my opinion we have a government to serve the people. A successful government we look out for the welfare of its citizens. When, I think of a successful government, I see the tax payor money going to roads, schools, fire departments, police, and many more services. Now here is the important part. Socialism as defined by the left is taking funds collected in taxes and spreading the wealth more evenly. This means instead of every one paying a toll to use the road, the road is built for all. If you truly want to get rid of socialism, then you are okay with getting rid of social security. And you are OK with having to pay the fire department before they put out a fire at your house. It is so easy for the people at the top to cry the left is socialism. But if you break it down we probably want the same thing, government to use the money collected to help the most people. Will that mean some programs you don't agree with funded probably. But I would rather see children fed and not starving versus the plan to cut snap. Why should children and elderly suffer when as a society we can help all. The left doesn't want to take away everything you own, we do want programs some call socialism. But for every dollar spent helping the poor it is spent right away. Making the economy better. But you give tax cuts to the rich and the rich get richer. You say the left is racist. It is hard for me to believe in today's world. ICE is rounding up people based on there skin color. No due process. They are arresting anyone who looks like an immigrant. And at the same time white Africans were invited to live in America. I want you to look at the next protest. Especially if you are in an area with a large population you will see every skin color there. We want only to live in peace, make government work for us and stop giving billionaires more money. Instead of spending money on ICE we could be using it to house our veterans. Instead trump plans on firing thousands of veteran affairs staff. You are free to believe what you want. But remember we are your neighbors not the enemy. If some one is telling you we are evil or bad ask yourself why? Wanting different policies is not evil. Don't let the hate divide Americans against Americans. Please read a book by Steven Haasan, he a cult expert and will help you understand how cults use brainwashing. Next I invite you to check out other news sources that give you a more balanced picture. Bottom line I wanted you to know, we are simply people on the other side, some scared seeing neighbors hauled away by ICE. Scared to know that Medicaid cuts means hospitals and nursing homes will close. And no one will be left to care for those without family. Worried about all the anger we see in people we thought had the same values now get angry when we talk to them.
Republican: Okay I stopped reading because you lied. Once a liar, what ever you say has no credibility. Also the United States is not a socialist country nor is it a communist country. Our fathers, uncles, brothers, grandfathers fought against socialist and communist governments. We shall never ever adopt any of these two type of failed governments. I can destroy every piece of propaganda you just spouted. Let me ask you this, under the Trump tax cuts which segment of the US population benefited the most? Do you know? And which benefited the next best and then which benefited the least from the Trump tax breaks? Americans are for America. There are thousands of Democrats who say they hate this country. Democrats leaders are communists, socialists and terrorists. These people are not friends of the free people of the United States of America. Socialism, Communism and Terrorism are no friends of the free people of the United States of America. No American citizen will lose their SNAP benefits. You didn't mention who it's illegal aliens who will be cut off of SNAP benefits not Americans. And no about Medicaid and hospitals. In the big beautiful bill there is $50 billion for rural hospitals. You lied so much. Typical Socialist/Communist propaganda. Piss on Socialism and Communism!
My Reply: I never said the U S is a socialist society. I said we have programs that work like socialism. Capitalism and Communism both have a fatal flaw. The people at the top of the power chain hoard the power. We don't need people to realize the world is filled with gray. Pure Capitalism lead to the Great Depression. It wasn't until programs added like social security, building roads, etc. That made our economy boom. You said 50 billion for rural hospitals. Well the bill cuts 880 billion in Medicaid. Hospitals rely on this as part of their budget. There is 186 billion in snap cuts. I now your response the get a job. Some are already working at minimum wage and will lose it because they don't know where to file. Some because they didn't know they had to. This doesn't mean more people are getting jobs. It has been tried in the past more people don't start working. More people suffer. You are right Americans will profit from the tax bill. It is millionaires and billionaires. They will see huge tax cuts while average people will see more taxes. But you won't believe anything I say because you know everything and want to prove you are right. If you really want to understand this you will get information from multiple news sources. You will take the time to read the BBB. You will either take the time to learn or not. We need to build a better America were we help our neighbors and we all succeed. Instead of the millionaire making more money.
Another Example of a republican, who can only go on and on about how we lie and they know everything. The lift is filled with Communists and we want to destroy America. We will never win in a discussion with someone who is angry and convinced they know everything. But I don’t post for that person. I post for the other person reading it. I post for the people who see the crazy and the contrast the truth and information. It is all available if someone is willing to look it up and learn. But as long as they only rely on the right wing bubble, they will continue to be fed lies. To keep the billionaires rich and the average American loses.
Covid
Original post- Video about how Rump contributed to the Covid deaths.
Republican: Hey d*** It was your President Biden that caused all them people to die. Okay, d***.
My Reply: My dad died October 2020, while Rump was still in office. Rump fired the people that handle outbreaks in foreign countries. In March 2020 everything shut down. But instead of following science he told people to ignore it. To still hold big rallies and to ignore mask wearing. This all happened long before Biden was President, thousands died in 2020. And my family will never be the same. I miss him every day. Rump should have been charged for letting covid spread he knew it was dangerous. But he told people to trust ivermectin, drink bleach and ignore the vaccine, don't wear masks.. Everyone of those has cost people lives. May you one day understand, Rump doesn't care about average people. He is a pedophile, a judiciary grapest and a fellow convicted of 34 counts. He tells so many lies, no one knows when he is talking or not. Did you know trump approved the sale of American steel manufacturing to China. We paid to build the wall. And right now people are being ripped from there families and throw into concentration camps. No due process, no one to determine if they are illegal or American, simply grab them arrest them and report them. People who are so ready to blame the left and immigrants for their problems, realize. This is what the billionaires want us divided so they can get rich. I pray one day we have a country that remember values we once supported like compassion for others including the stranger, caring for others and supporting your neighbors. Instead reality, my dad died, and my life fell apart. I don't want to cause a fight with anyone, I want people to realize the left is filled with people who want the same things the right of 10 years ago wanted. A safe place to live, a good job and to have peace with my neighbors.
Republican: sorry about your passing of your dad but Trump didn't have nothing to do with that. It was, the little gray headed guy ann. Obama and all those guys that supported for the d*** virus to come over here just so happened, Trump being d*** President at the time. Don't make him guilty of anything! They're trying to kill the guy still here today. They tried it, then I don't know how many times and they're still trying to do it. And you think they give a s*** about your dad or anybody else? That passed away. I had a brother. It has to wave with COVID also, and I don't blame drunk for it. The Dan Biden's in fauci, was the one sent money. It supported the d*** s*** to come over here, he didn't make up big freaking lies when everybody was finding out that they were the ones that did it!
My Reply: figures, you believe what you want. I can make heads or tails of that crazy conspiracy you threw out. So I am done with this conversation.
ICE as of July 19, 2025
I am sharing the discussion I had on the today. It left me feeling sad and deflated. Upset and frustrated. So many people are so blind. Here are examples of the Horrors I am seeing on my media.
This same article dated 7/20/2025 said “As of this week, there are more than 56,800 people in ICE detention; 72 percent of them have no criminal convictions.
The important part is held without hearings or trials (aka no due process.) Other definitions includes harsh conditions. I call worms in the food, not enough water, signs of harsh conditions.
Per the laws of our country it is not legal to arrest or detain someone with out due process. The 14th amendment allows all “Persons” the right to due process. People who immigrate here legally shouldn’t be deported.
Anyone who tells you this is simply about the need to remove illegal immigrants, doesn’t realize they are arresting US Citizens, People who came here legally and have already gone through the steps. To finalize the process. It is not about violent or criminal offenders. It is about removing the people that the administration doesn’t like. Instead of arresting violent criminals they are arresting grandmas, grandpas, and children. Honest people. But when I speak up, I don’t know what I am talking about. One last article for you to think about.
7. WHITE South Africans arrive in the US as refugees
Why are we removing refugee status for people for people, yet we can approve it for only white people.
What Can We Do?
Other People
Original Post- Found on Facebook- summary is we have to get these fascists out of our Government, protests aren’t working so what can we do?
Reponses from two different people is I am naive, and it will come down to a battle and force to go in and remove them.
Do I think we will not come out of this without people being hurt or unalive. No there are two battles we need to fight. The very visible one that everyone will see the one where we might some day have to fight for our democracy like they did in the revolution. When that day comes, I will be ready stand up and to do what I can. But there is a second battle that is probably even more important that we need to fight now. This is for the hearts and minds of the people of this country. If we remain silent, then those who don't follow the news, those that ignore it, and those that follow blindly don't understand the trouble we are in. We need to make sure we have as many voices on our side as we can. There is strength in building a community. The people at the top want to divide us. They want us to only see the enemy. They don't want us to be united. Because when we are, we are more powerful. The more people that show up to work as people to run the elections, the harder it is for them to cheat. If there was any fraud we need to expose it. I know only one way to combat hate and cruelty- it is with honesty, love support and community. I don't know if there will be another war, I don't know if there will be violence. But I do know, I am going follow Teddy Roosevelt's advice "Do what you can, with what you've got, where you are." I only have the power of my voice now. and The more people I can get to join our side the stronger we will be no matter what comes at us. It is a lot hard to take down a group of thousands, than to have a small group ready for battle.
I see a lot of delusional comments! Do you honestly believe that these Nazis within our government (the majority) are going to allow this election to be free and fair? This ends one way and only one way! This is their last stand and they are willing to do everything and anything to finish it because they understand it’s now or never. Do not underestimate these evil people!
I totally understand, you are right. They will not want to leave. They will try to stay. Where there is corruption in the voting process we need to identify it now. I want them out now. Until we are forced to take action, let's do something productive now. The more people who understand the easier it will be to force them out. The more people who vote and review the system the harder we make it for them to cheat. And the most important, we need to come together and organize. There is strength in numbers.
Note- Other side in Black, my responses in blue. If anyone has a better plan, please share.
Left
Step 1. Go get involved. In an organization from indivisible . Org to DNC. Find a group and join.
2. Make a plan to vote in 2026. Consider running for a local office. To many places republicans go unchallenged. OR help with voting.
3. Use your voice to talk to people in your life. I am not talking about the extreme rump supporters. But average people, who want to stay out of it. Make them aware of the harm being done. The more we talk and interact, we can also help them to decide to vote. A large portion of this country doesn't even understand the threat we are under. Bring it to light.
I am scared and worried, but we must continue to try. They are trying to wear us down, and make us think we have lost. But we will not let them kill our democracy. We will stand together, support each other. I don't know what the future brings. But I know we can all do something to make it better.
haven't you been paying attention. Votes aren't gonna count anymore they will just ignore the out come if it's not in their favor
I know I already replied above, but I have to respond to this. One do I agree with you that they are going to ignore the vote that doesn't show them as winning. Yes, Do I think they are trying to going to rig the next election yes. I agree with you on both points. But what I want you to know, is I am not going down with out a fight. I am going to show up at the voting booth. I am going to bring as many people with me as possible. I am going to work to find fair people to help run the elections to help over see them. Will I change one person's mind or many, I don't know. What I do know is if we keep telling people we already lost. Then we are going to make it easy for them. They don't have to cheat if most of us stay home, because we think what does it matter.
RIGHT
Immigration
Republicans- Immigration is bad. It takes away jobs from Americans. They don’t pay into the system. They broke the law to come here. If they want to come they do it the right way.
Left
1. Breaking the law- I want to know if we agree that there should be a different punishment for different levels of crime. If I go into the grocery store and steal bread because I want to feed my child. Should I get the same punishment as a person who goes into the grocery store, and shoots several people? Hopefully we can agree the person who was hungry should get a light sentence. But the person who shoots people we can arrest and take away from their friends and family. With this context, I want you to think about my next point. Many of these people have left their homes because they were starving. They are escaping horrible governments at their home lands. When Hitler was killing Jews, Americans tried to stop them from coming here. A ship of 900 Jews tried to land in Cuba, America, and Canada. It was refused. They went back to Europe and many died. After the war was over US passed a bill allowing people who are facing persecution to come to America and seek asylum. We will let them in while we resolve the paperwork issues. Does this apply to everyone in the US no. Some simply want a better life. But what we are trying to decide right now what is the correct punishment. My vote we give them status as US citizens. Living with the fear from this current admiration is enough of a punishment. But maybe you feel the crime of them coming to the US worth being torn from their families. Is it okay to send them to a prison in El Salvador. Is it right to send them into a place with no food or water. To horrible living conditions. Marine Corps veteran’s wife Adrian Cloutre’s wife was taken by ICE. There is story after story of average people who live and work in the US being arrested by people in military gear and hauled away. I have heard on the right, see it is fixed, no one is crossing the border now. That is because people are terrified. We are now just as scary as the people at home. Once again turning away people who are in danger at home. We have once again decided that we will be willing to turn away people and let them die at home because we have a broken immigration system.
2. The Economy- There are two sides to every issue. Let me give you another side. Immigrants contribute over $100 billion a year in taxes. When they are employed, they pay using a ITIN. They pay to Social Security. They don’t qualify for social security or food stamps but they do pay in to the government. They pay sales taxes when they buy stuff. I will admit you are right they use more resources for education and health care. They don’t speak English when they arrive. Note all of my ancestors spoke German when they arrived. When immigrants arrive, they also boost the need for other services and sales. Example you have new people come to town they need to buy things. Examples food, clothes, etc. Think about all of the places you go each year and pay for a service. Immigrants are the customers business need to grow. All business needs to grow by selling more stuff or providing service to more people. If enough immigrants move in a town will see a need for more service jobs, and more stores. This new business means more economic growth. I know that taking American jobs away is bad, but how many people do you know who want to go to pick crops in the hot sun for 12 hours a day at minimum wage? Or work to clean hotel bedrooms, or most minimum wage jobs? Most of the jobs, immigrants take, average people don’t want. Is there a few cases where immigrants take American jobs? probably. But if we are looking at a national level. They are what makes the economy grow. They are the reason we had economic growth the last 4 years. With out immigrants we will see the price of things go up, because right now crops are rotting in the fields, work isn’t being done. And no one is coming to replace those jobs.
Sources:
https://www.history.com/articles/wwii-jewish-refugee-ship-st-louis-1939
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kitty_Genovese
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-detains-marine-corps-veteran-wife/
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2024/do-immigrants-and-immigration-help-the-economy/
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/content/explainer-immigrants-and-us-economy
RIGHT
Socialism vs Charity
Okay, I don’t know how to sum up the comment I received here when I posted the above picture- So if someone on the right can better explain post here. The gist of it was that government will remove Christianity from Charity and replace it with socialism. The response only got more confusing from there. My response is on the left.
Do you have more to add on either side- send me a comment with what you want to add.
Left
1. Government, Christianity and charity. I want to make sure I am on the same page with the definition of each.
a. The US Government is supposed to be made up of elected officials who serve American people. The Elected officials in theory make policy and laws that take care of the American people who elected them. Example make sure the food we eat doesn’t kill us (FDA).
b. Christianity- it is the religion of most people in the US. Catholic, Lutheran, Baptists, and many other religions all fall under this. But they all support the teaching of Jesus Christ.
c. Charity is giving add to the needy, poor or suffering. It can be done by an individual or a group.
2. Socialism versus communism. I hear people on the right all the time say how bad socialism and make it sound like it is the same as communism.
a. Socialism in government is when money is taken from the government and used to benefit the citizens of the country.
b. Communism is when no one in the country has property, money or wealth. All are equal and in return all receive what they need and an equal share.
3. Socialism is seen as a bad thing, but I will name some social programs that you already see in your community- Fire Fighters, police force, schools, roads, Social Security, Medicare, Snap. There are more programs but this is enough to make my point, many of the programs that the government already provides fall under Socialism.
4. The reason that this is such a difficult topic, is that so many people who are in the government claim to support Christian Values. The part that worries me is that many say we need more religious laws. But people who are in government who are saying and telling us they are Christian are at the same time passing this big ugly bill which would strip health care and food from people. If they are going to claim to be Christian then they also shouldn’t be pushing laws that hurt average people. I understand the duty to separate religion from government. But don’t pretend to be Christian if you are able to look a parent in the eye and tell them well you no longer can buy food for your child or grandma because we need to give billionaires more money.
5. I think that government, Christianity and Charity all have a place in our country. First you call it forced charity when the government pays out to services to people. When I see government, I want them to use my money to help everyone in the country, not only the rich but to provide services to help those who are struggling too. To provide programs that help our economy succeed. At what line does it go from providing a service to forced charity? Is it when we send our kids to school. I don’t have kids so am I forced to provide charity to all those parents who have kids in school. My house isn’t on fire, so why should my money be used on the charity of the fire fighters. The problem with calling government services as charity is simply that they are services provided by the government. We all want the same thing, the government to not waste money and to spend it in the best possible way. The most effective and best possible way. I would want my money to go to feed and house vets, to give them health care. I am okay with my taxes going to pay for schools. I want educated children. I want my government to provide programs that help not only the top 1% but all people. I know some programs seem like they help the poor, more than others. I know for a fact that people abuse the system and could be working. But at the same time, what about the single parent working minimum wage, and is using food stamps to feed her 5 kids. At some point those kids will grow up. Or what about the senior who is using food stamps. Is it fair to punish all in order to punish the few not using it correctly. Pushing people off Snap won’t help someone get a job or more money it means they go hungry. If our government really wanted to get people off of these programs. They would set up job training centers, they would provide mental health services to the homeless. They would increase the minimum wage. Most people who use Medicare work a minimum wage job. In my opinion when you need to find the right balance. You need to provide find government programs that help people in need. At the same time I know there is the down fall of lower motivation to work. But I feel better knowing that Snap means some children are going to eat tonight.
6. Bottom line there is no easy answer as to how to add social programs for the poor with out people taking advantage of them. But at the same time, we need to find a way to add social programs that serve the poor because when they succeed in their jobs they bring up the entire economy with increased spending. If you give a poor person a dollar they will spend it. You give a rich person a dollar they will put it in the bank. Our economy is based on the more people spend, not the more they save.
7. Socialism is an evil word to the rich. Because they don’t want their money going to an average person who is poor. They don’t want their money used that way. Instead, the rich want tax breaks. I say bring on the social programs, like universal health care. Why should insurance CEOs become rich denying care to average people. Why can’t we take all that money we spend now on insurance premiums and out of pocket costs and turn it into a universal plan.
https://www.britannica.com/question/How-is-communism-different-from-socialism
https://scientiaeducare.com/social-welfare-programs-and-their-economic-impact-a-comprehensive-analysis/
https://communityliteracy.org/how-do-social-programs-help-the-economy/